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Okay, the line about wearing gloves while playing chess with a forensic scientist was great. Oh, and I loved Abby's 'funeral' clothes that she was wearing for most of the episode.

Alright, all told not a bad episode. It won't go to the top ten but as an Abby centric episode it had some nice Abby moments and we got to see her out of the lab and NCIS some, though most of it was in another lab. The premise with the fake/real research was a bit flimsy and over thought, like they were trying too hard to give the episode twists but it did allow Abby to get really mad and burst into interrogation.

The scene with Ziva and Gibbs searching the car was great. I loved that Gibbs snapped at Ziva and with none of the sense of amusement that he exhibits with Tony in similar situations. Oh, and having Gibbs choose to take Tony instead of Ziva later was a nice touch.

I did *not* like the end with Tony having to help clean the lab with McGee and Palmer. Tony was not at fault for the mess, in fact he tried to stop McGee and told him the correct way but McGee was all on his 'I have a degree in biomedical engineering from John Hopkins along with numerous other degrees' high horse and wouldn't listen. I now have a craving for Smart!Tony stories, where he smacks down McGee.

McGee is really starting to annoy me majorly with his 'lets put down Tony' shtick.

I'd guess I'd give it a 6.5 out of 10 with 5 being absolute middle average.
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From: [identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com


I liked it simply because we got Smart!Tony, Grownup!Abby and Fullofhimself!McGee who gets in trouble. :-) Though, Tony, as the senior of the two, should have reined McGee in. I really hope he's the one who delivers McGee's slap down. I think McGee will respond more to Tony taking a page out of Gibbs' book than using Tony's book... especially if Tony then points out to him that he's still Tony no matter what and McGee should get over himself and pay attention to who's in charge, even if it's not Gibbs. I want to see Tony get Tony!Mad, not Mock!Gibbs mad.

Besides, Gibbs'll think it's seriously hot. ;-)

From: [identity profile] kateri-e.livejournal.com


*drools* Mad!Tony is seriously hot, all steely-eyed and serious.

Tony has been letting McGee get away with a lot, it's like he's not sure if it is his place to rein McGee in on anything other than the little stuff aka messing with McGee's head.

You might be right about the slap down
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From: [identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com


I think Tony is very much aware that he used to be team leader, but isn't any more and that it's by his choice. I think, too, that he's adjusting to how much McGee has changed since working in Cybercrimes and keeps falling into his old ways of handling him.

I see the odd overtly kind gesture being one of the ways Tony's trying to adjust. "Am I being too hard on him? Maybe I should do something nice for him today. He's having a tough time. Maybe it'll break down some of his resistance to listening to me."

Tony deals with people, 'his' people at least, with a combination of locker room acceptance, humor and "being nice". McGee has learned to follow Gibbs... and only Gibbs. Tony may well have to tap into his own intense side to make his point.

OH! Now that's an interesting thought. [livejournal.com profile] xanthlj made a very good point about Tony and anger in Damage. Tony doesn't *get* angry. Now, what if the reason Tony doesn't get angry is because Tony has *gotten* angry in the past and bad things have happened. Maybe he handles Gibbs' anger so well because his *own* is even worse. While Gibbs has learned to channel his, Tony can only block it.

Now *that* would be a slap down of epic proportions. :-)

From: [identity profile] kateri-e.livejournal.com


OOh, the point about Tony and anger is very interesting.
Now, what if the reason Tony doesn't get angry is because Tony has *gotten* angry in the past and bad things have happened
Like maybe he acted out a great deal while in that boarding school? Thanks to 'Hide and Seek' we now know he was already there at age 10. What if he started acting out and things got out of hand? Then in college he started to loosen up but things got out of hand again?

*gah* plot bunnies
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From: [identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com


Sports may have been the way he was taught to channel his anger. Now he uses sex and running. He needs physical activity to deal with it.

Perhaps he hurt someone when he was a kid because his capacity for anger outstripped his ability to control it.

From: [identity profile] kateri-e.livejournal.com


Rich kid dumped and ignored by his father, people not 'real' to him, something bad happens and thus we have the disinherited part of Tony's past. He tries to channel the anger into sports, but its still there and he just keeps pushing it deeper and deeper creating a personality that is always happy go lucky, but not always quite right for social interactions.
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I'd be cautious of the personality creation aspect simply because it's too reminiscent of Damage. That's going to be, if it's not already, something of an icon for Gibbs/DiNozzo. Probably don't want to risk being seen as ripping it off.

I think the idea of simply closing off his anger and thus letting the happy-go-lucky aspect of his personality bloom (which could also help diffuse *other* people's anger, which could help him keep his own at bay) could work well. If people think he's mostly harmless and pretty and eager to please, they're less likely to stay pissed off at him. It's so hard to kick a puppy. The fact that the "puppy" is actually a full grown pit bull in disguise is something only Gibbs knows. :-) Maybe Abby, too. Mostly cuz she knows stuff. :-) All those sekrit cameras, y'know. :-)

From: [identity profile] kateri-e.livejournal.com


Yeppers, can't forget about the sekrit cameras.

I see what you mean, and I totally agree with the puppy/pit bull bit. The irony is that while Gibbs is the only one that isn't at risk from the pit bull he's the only one (other than Abby) that knows it exists.

Maybe without the anger the 'happy-go-lucky' was the only way he knew how to relate with people. If your angry people don't like you and you do bad thinks, if you're happy people like you and you do good things. Hmm....... likes Not-Nice-Gibbs because Gibbs is the opposite, Angry!Gibbs does good things but Nice!Gibbs is the dangerous one in Tony's mind
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If Gibbs is getting angry, then things that need anger to get done, get done. If Gibbs is too nice, then it might fall to Tony to use anger as a tool and he can't afford to do that.

So.. you gonna write this? I'll happily keep feeding the bunny. :-)

From: [identity profile] kateri-e.livejournal.com


*Pouts* Notes and outline will go in the que with the other stories............ ebil bunnies are taking over my mind ;)

And I really hate you now because the whole Tony afraid he might have to use anger would totally explain the terrified look on his face in Kill Ari and his 'Gibbs-Act' when in charge
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From: [identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com


*beam*

People always look at me funny when I say this, but I always *loved* doing characterization papers in high school. If that was ever an option for an assignment, I'd take it over anything else and have a *grand* time doing it.

"Is Hamlet an alien xenobiologist waiting for his space ship to return and pick him up. Provide support from the play." :-)

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De-lurking to add:
~ McGee, Kate, Ziva & Jenny, Vance- they all feel/felt superior cause Tony's only a jock gone LEO and doesn't play in their league when it comes to education (be it from MIT, SS or Mossad). And while Gibbs gets judged in a different category cause he's Gibbs, being intense gets Tony a reminder that he doesn't have a second B for bastard in his name.

~Actually, for what it's worth, I'm not so sure Tony doesn't *get* angry, per se. Just take his feud with Kort.
But when it comes to people he likes/loves, I think he prefers to avoid tension (mediating, saying he's sorry) or, god forbid, having to deal with the fallout of a heated argument aka touchy-feely stuff aka emotions (the whole "don't hurt/get hurt"-shtick).

Slapping down McGee would change things between them and depending on any witnesses, it might change perceptions all around- but Tony sure likes to cater to perceptions. I think Gibbs needs to pull his head outta his ass on that one.

On the other hand, who am I to tell? In 'Cloak', he was able to go from amiably chatty in one moment to loosing it in the elevator/autopsy the next.
Like, just cause Tony is all smiles doesn't mean he couldn't be pissed as hell at the very same moment, a very unpredictable, unstable element.
Maybe he'll blow up in McGee's face right next episode and the poor Probie won't know what hit him, a slap down of epic proportions indeed?
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From: [identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com


Tony did definitely show in Cloak, good call. Took quite a bit of provocation, too. But yeah, it's not his response of choice. He suppresses it in favor of a smile, if it reaches his eyes or not, and a joke.

Hmm... I wonder. How would McGee deal with a Tony who isn't smiling or joking?

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No smiling or joking? Why ever be concerned?
McGee expects Tony to be able to deal with anyone (Jeffry White) and anything (plague). Cause that's what Tony does.

So, I think he'd just wait until Tony gets over it and bounces back or, longterm, Gibbs/Ziva fixed it.
Remember, they aren't friends& Tony doesn't exactly encourage reaching out to him.

Now, how would he deal with a Tony who's on edge? I.e., what would have happened if Gibbs hadn't been there in "Bounce" to intervene with a pep talk?

Sarah (not in possession of a nifty lj account of her own, so she has to go hijack other people's lj's)
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LOL!!! The more the merrier.

I think Tony being Un-Tonyish would freak McGee out. He'd keep waiting for the other shoe to drop and he'd get more and more stressed when it didn't hit the ground.

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*snort*
McGee would be jumping at every little sound and triple checking everything for glue.
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Sorta like Ziva did, waiting for Tony to get back at her for the ink on the binoculars.

From: [identity profile] kateri-e.livejournal.com


LOL! That was great! That alone made that ep worth watching. Ziva thinks she's sneaky but she ain't got nothing on a determined DiNozzo

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I still can't decied if I like this episode or not. Some parts I liked - some not. The scene with Abby in the van made me nuts because I felt we got silly Abby but thankfully that changed. Plus the silly lab stuff wasn't that big; I thought we would get more of it so I am glad to see it was not that over the top.

I was really happy to see competent!Tony but I have to admit I am not sure if I am happy that Tony took the high road and didn't gloat about being right, or if I wanted him to really rub it in McGees face. I guess I am happy he didn't rub his face in it- it makes Tony the truely better person.

I am really happy to see both Gibbs and Tony care about Abby. I love the Abby/Gibbs relationship but Tony and Abby and their close friendship really warms my heart- and I am so happy we saw it here!


From: [identity profile] kateri-e.livejournal.com


I still can't decided if I like this episode or not.
I went with the like because, good parts out weighted bad parts and once you put them together it was still a good ep.

Now it wasn't one of the best, but still slightly better than run of the mill.

And it did make Tony the better person not to rub it into McGee's face, but left us plenty for fanfic fix=its

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And it did make Tony the better person not to rub it into McGee's face, but left us plenty for fanfic fix=its

hehe I just posted that I wanted the same thing ;-) but yes I think I am leaning towards like too for the same reasons. Gibbs was particulary good too. There were some clunkers at the start but all in all I think better than not better.

Plus this could be the last really good one for a while so I guess I should soak it up while I can.

From: [identity profile] kateri-e.livejournal.com


Plus this could be the last really good one for a while so I guess I should soak it up while I can

Heh, the spin-off eps. I'm not holding my breath.
With both NCIS and Stargate spinning-off new shows this fall I've only been able to build up enthusiasm for Universe. Do they even have a name for the NCIS spinoff yet? Last I looked they didn't.

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I am shocked my how excited I am for the Universe spin-off, I thought for sure I wouldn't want to watch it. I am still not sold but I am for sure "renting". As for the name of NCIS spin-off- I haven't heard a thing. I am sure they have one though; wonder why they aren't sharing?

From: [identity profile] kateri-e.livejournal.com


I was excited about Universe in the very early stages, but then as more info came out I was all 'meh' but then I found out about LDP getting casted and I saw the sneak peak and I've found myself looking forward to it. Still wish they hadn't canceled SGA but I think Universe will be good.

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I don't know myself. I am somewhat optimistic about it, but yes having LDP in the cast helped a lot!!! :-) I think it will be a win though. I like the fact that it is supposed to be more about the team trying to survive than it is about meeting alien races. I find that stuff more interesting so that helped.
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